The choice of the University for the future programmer in Moscow?

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Can anyone suggest where to go to learn, if in the future I plan to become a programmer (Yes, I know that it is a highly inaccurate description).

While choosing between CMC MSU (hard to do, so wouldn't have thought), MAI (most likely go here, but then which faculty to choose?), MIREA (haven't decided yet if I want to go here).

Want more computer science and mathematics and a little physics.
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Can you recommend your University: Moscow state industrial University, Department of applied mathematics and technical physics, specialty "Mathematical software and administration of information systems".
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A lot of mathematics (although, of course, less than VMK), a lot of programming (languages: Ruby, Java, Haskell, Prolog, C/C++), a little physics. A lot of good teachers. 4 courses, you can work effectively.
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In the MAI if you do, it is only the faculty of "Applied mathematics and physics". Majoring in other departments with the words "applied computer science..." do not think(not unfounded, the first tower just such Galim specialty get).
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She is now studying applied mathematics at MAI for a second rig, very happy. But as far as I know the cherished place at the Department "Computational mathematics and programming" diaries will need to earn a diligent studies, for mediocre students distribute just on physics. Before at least it was.
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As for physics, MAI in this specialty it is little, just as there is no left items related to aircraft. Even among economists in the MAI is a lot of engineering-descriptive subjects, but in mathematics there. But the mathematical disciplines the brain would be to rinse fairly. Matan, as far as I know diaries 2 years, plus all sorts of differe, Urmat, and others.))
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BAUMAN ИУ6, ИУ7, АК5. Specialty ИУ6 good that and programming will be taught, and networks to work with databases to be managed. "Less math" is you in vain :)
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Chockli to be a hard coder and work at all — go on VMK, they teach.
Want to control the encoders and do your business — go to the HSE.
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I think that a reasonable person would understand the difference between old school (about VMK) from the "new" (HSE). In any case do not want obidat VMK, but there really are taught to programmers, hard such to know when to stack, when in a bunch) I'm committed to working "on" or "under itself", and therefore went to the faculty "Software engineering" in the tower. There is also teaching coding is not weakly so (1 course studied c#, second on Java + c++ algorithms. By the way, there's no programmer but know it should still be. But there is any turbidity General, such sociologies, philosophies and stories. But it is understandable, to manage people skillfully it is necessary) So the conclusion is — I want to be smart, that you wanted to code soundly on VMK. I want to be-know-who, hoping to chance on cool ideas for their business or in the Tower)
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it matters not WHERE you study but HOW you study
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I'll try to go to the other side. And whether you want to get a higher education?
1. Now the need of a diploma is highly questionable, especially for IT specialists. None of my many, many sobesedovanii not raised the issue of education. Friends and colleagues are in agreement with me.
2. Is it worth spending 5-6 years of your life studying, cramming, conflicts with teachers, bribes and other hardships of student life? From my experience I can tell you that 80-90 percent of these efforts in any way will not be needed in real life.
3. Necessarily need a diploma? Who said that? Most likely parents. They, as immigrants from the Soviet Union "know" and "believe" that the diploma of higher education is the key to a brighter future. Unfortunately or fortunately, but those days are gone.
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I have a bachelor's degree of the Kiev Polytechnic University (NTUU "KPI"), faculty of Informatics and calc. engineering (FICE), specialty: automated control in technical systems. Accurate to the Department, it is considered to be the most coolest IT-shnym education in Ukraine. And I think that 4.5 years have passed in vain... Someone will probably disagree, but from my point of view, many of the items were completely useless: cultural studies, languages, history, philosophy, life safety,... there Was a lot of "zhelezyachnye" courses, which I choose softwaree the direction of application is not seen and did not see until now. And courses to develop and administer... a Big part of learning material is stuck somewhere 15-20 years ago that in our times almost equivalent to the loss of Fidler. And from the point of view of a way of conveying knowledge and involvement of the teacher in the process, it was interesting to attend just a few courses.
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Total:
When we were teaching a class on the HTML under the loud name "web design" (in the best tradition of green on red, frames, tables), I have read all the mandership, and had several reference books on design, HTML, Javascript, was familiar with the work of Lebedev Studio and similar large players.
When all studied graphics in pure Pascal, I ignored the rules and used samopisnaya the graphics library in ASM, which gave in comparison amazing performance-what is often called the unjust anger of the teacher, who knew nothing of my writings, but there was nothing I could do: the job that was performed and the probability to find ±such as the work flow was near zero.
When everything crammed some prehistoric garbage (no one understood why it is needed), I slept or worked. In the end it brought me a lot of difficulties at delivery.
When all taught administration of Netware, I drew only some fundamental aspects of the administration and watched as the popularity of NetWare go down.
Of the 4.5 years spent in College, I can name only a few items which whom in some way was useful to me: linear algebra, probability theory and Mat. statistics, engineering, administration, 8086 ASM(very little), cryptography. It's about 5-10% in dry matter.
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All this did not prevent me to look for jobs and work in the 1st year (actually since high school) and to do what I was interesting and seemed useful in the framework of the chosen path.
If I could change something in the past, now have I modeled their education in a very different manner:
— To sit on freelancing, feel the demands of the market and to begin to explore interesting/profitable area.
— To go to work, perhaps at first even for "food", to gain experience in command and actual conditions.
— Finish the new economic school (not high school of course, but not the faculty of any institution, optimally 0.5-1 year), accounting and something of the basic law. This knowledge is sometimes severely lacking.
— Periodically visit relevant and society-wide seminars, workshops, courses.
— To generate ideas and to model their implementation in your business.
Profit?
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The purpose of this message is not to convince, but to show some different view and provoke an analysis of their needs and realities. Talk to people chosen profession and to those who have already finished high school and worked for several years. I think their experience will be useful.
In any case, good luck and do not get govnokoder :)
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PS: All of this chaotic text is written from personal experience and experience of friends/colleagues/acquaintances (as far as I know their experience) and in any case does not claim absolute certainty. If you have questions or objections — you are welcome to dialogue.
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Eventually enrolled at CMC MSU on specialty Pmii.
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